When I got back to Long Beach that night, which takes about an hour, there’s a message on my [answering machine] and Tom leaves a message: ‘Herbs, babes…, get your buddy and meet me tomorrow morning for breakfast in Westwood and let’s talk about this.’
Tom Gray… didn’t have a clue what [the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles] were and most of the parents didn’t…
One night, we went and had a drink and I realized he had a 10-year-old and a 12-year-old…