The Birmingham-based film-maker Abdul Rahman remembers an event that he says sums up one of the biggest problems in the Midlands film industry.
For Tenisha White, a Solihull-based film-maker, more needs to be done to cross the invisible lines Rahman encountered.
It found that, between 2016 and 2019, no film made in the entire Midlands region that passed the diversity standards had any BAME representation in its workforce.
The Midlands is one of the most diverse areas in the UK but its film scene, which has grown rapidly in the last decade, does not necessarily reflect that.